tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9158802131636052275.post1692183113783056213..comments2022-12-20T00:28:04.247-08:00Comments on The Numinous Den: Jester in Black: The Secret Space Program and the UFO Cover-UpJeff Ritzmannhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15793262192698544038noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9158802131636052275.post-16993928178457370152017-11-29T00:19:38.721-08:002017-11-29T00:19:38.721-08:00Maybe Dolan that it was me - I'm in Minnesota ...Maybe Dolan that it was me - I'm in Minnesota and I emailed Dolan questioning why he was promoting the Robert Hastings fraud that James Carlson exposed were lies about his dad Eric Carlson. Dolan didn't really have any response. That's when I knew the gig was up. I had bike - on my bicycle - out to the Edina library to read his first "tome" and I was not at all impressed. I found his lines of argument to be very sketchy and you could sense him pushing the E.T. story with no evidence. So I was fishy about him and then when he was pushing the Hastings shenanigans - I just emailed him and was like - dude? haha. ecoechohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03307941947406787288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9158802131636052275.post-26715832925813025362017-09-11T13:29:51.236-07:002017-09-11T13:29:51.236-07:00Hi Bill-
Yes. To be in this field for an...Hi Bill-<br /> Yes. To be in this field for any length of time, is to garner enemies. Whether they don't like what you say, the inconsistencies you expose, or simply the tone of your voice - these types come out of the woodwork in the paranormal. You just accept that and move on. <br /><br />What you have to ask yourself in regard to the YouTube comments you mention: why is he anonymous? Easy answer: they're afraid. I have my suspicions about who this is, but it's safe to say that it's likely someone who I've exposed in the past, or someone I could easily dismiss by knowing who they are. They don't want that, so they hide as a coward. <br /><br />If they truly believed what they say, they'd have no issue owning it with a name. They exist as a perfect example of what I write about here at the Den - and while they chastise the idea of trickster, they are oblivious that they are exemplifying it. That, is the most amusing thing to me.<br /><br />That said I've dealt with their like for 3 decades and I've come to realize they are only pitfalls to hindrance. I've often said you either care about this subject or you don't. I do, and for that reason alone I don't give these faceless, anonymous cowards the ability to take residence in my mind, or occupy my time.<br /><br />JeffJeff Ritzmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15793262192698544038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9158802131636052275.post-11683060665119794042017-09-06T09:24:04.638-07:002017-09-06T09:24:04.638-07:00Hi Jeff, I think everything you say is completely ...Hi Jeff, I think everything you say is completely on point. I have huge problems with Dolan, first and foremost for his complete arrogance and secondly for his unabashed opportunism. When he was part of the whole Roswell slides fiasco, our lead MUFON investigator here in Wisconsin put out a statement that MUFON should distance themselves with Dolan. I later heard Dolan bascially call the investigator a hick and then falsely claimed he was part of MUFON Minnesota. This again betrays the provincial nature of some of these investigators. I also find it funny how Goode, Basagio and Dolan constantly get large captive audiences and have people of high standing, income and or education backing them while you were ridiculed for telling your own personal experience and constantly prefacing it with "you don't need to believe any or all of this experience." Also, your stories weren't "I, Jeff Ritzmann, was humanity's last hope!", more often than not your stories are embarrassing (sorry to say). Also what I find really odd is that I was recently looking at the YouTube comments from your 3 part interview on Where did the road go, and there is one guy who for all 3 episodes said something to the effect that you were a huge liar and your story was very cringey. Now why on earth would someone truly believe that and yet enact the labor of conveying the message that you are a liar on all 3 parts of the interview? It is very odd and it seems like it was almost a directed attack. I've noticed this a lot recently, the more credible and sane the paranormal researcher is, the more they are marginalized and or attacked as being a liar. Curious to know if you noticed the same thing.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14002512064230215525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9158802131636052275.post-198805130167900802017-08-22T03:08:33.435-07:002017-08-22T03:08:33.435-07:00Enjoyed reading this, thanks!Enjoyed reading this, thanks!Oshttp://elisafields.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9158802131636052275.post-87618689069628359612017-08-18T12:58:22.285-07:002017-08-18T12:58:22.285-07:00I think sometimes what is absurd scales through th...I think sometimes what is absurd scales through the plausible. Probably thermodynamics.<br />I think what is the baseline and what is the carrier depends on the observer, and can trade places.<br /><br />Numbers do it. The birds and the bees do it. Perhaps a rational filter is just a way to keep moving.nealhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10632021240126981592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9158802131636052275.post-68053073111020168422017-08-08T10:56:33.690-07:002017-08-08T10:56:33.690-07:00I fully understand your point here - and I expecte...I fully understand your point here - and I expected some replies on this. But again, many of the people you mention here have had hypnosis employed in 'researching' their case(s). I too have known many people who claimed the MILAB experience, but I also know that those people were also wide spread users and subjects of hypnotic recall. <br /><br />The bulk of MILAB accounts are from hypnotic recall - and what ones were not, were often separated from true conscious recall by unconscious states. This is a critical bit most MILAB people don't bring to the forefront: that it's not like they are abducted by the military types and brought back in the same sense as they left - these events are laden with accounts of being drugged and in and out of consciousness. This presents a murky recall that really can't be considered reliable. Much of this area of the subject is fraught with cultural contamination - for instance the first published book on MILABS was out in 1996 - The X-Files (which had a HUGE impact on the subject and 'abduction' accounts) debuted in 1993.<br /><br />I'm again, not saying they don't happen. But the evidence is extraordinarily murky, and far from being considered actual recall (with all the alleged drugging and unconscious periods). The bulk that people know, I feel confident in saying most likely originated from cultural contamination / hypnotic recovered 'memory' (Confabulation).<br /><br />I notice you reference the 'alien jigsaw' site here, which is by no means a credible source of information. I only need point reader's to the page: http://alienjigsaw.com/index.html where the 'contributors' page reads more like a 'here's who to avoid' of the field. Marden, Lamb, Jacobs, Greer, Bassett, etc. I can't take any of what would be printed there even remotely serious. Sorry.Jeff Ritzmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15793262192698544038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9158802131636052275.post-11973892435360738902017-08-04T17:03:01.706-07:002017-08-04T17:03:01.706-07:00Re: Dolan's piece. Wow. That's a long wind...Re: Dolan's piece. Wow. That's a long winded way of trying to distance yourself from people who bought your BS whilst still taking a paycheck for appearing on the same stage. <br /><br /> I think any serious student of the UFO subject would do well to put these alleged whistleblowers, secret space program aficionados and the click-bait vultures that promote them to one side. Sure, people will always listen and be entertained by them, but let’s call it what is is - ufotainment. I’m always amused when people hold up one whistleblower as credible, simply because of apparently corroborating stories, whilst the next is deemed laughable. None of them have provided any credible evidence as to what they are supposedly revealing. In that respect they are all even... and no different to you or I. The fact that two or more peoples stories may apparently corroborate one another is not corroboration of anything. How easy would it be for individuals - or even the intelligence community - to fabricate such a set up? And given the historic attempts by the US intelligence community to control narrative and socially engineer UFO belief, studying UFOs outside of the USA would probably be far more beneficial with regards to anomalous phenomenon. <br /><br />NOTE: We would also do well to remember that the UFO/ET whistleblower and Disclosure concepts are almost entirely US-centric.<br /><br />In Trump era America the marginal trickster is apparently running rampant.Lorin Cuttsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9158802131636052275.post-57600915731958244652017-08-04T08:44:15.590-07:002017-08-04T08:44:15.590-07:00Hi Purrl - "I disagree on the point of Dolan ...Hi Purrl - "I disagree on the point of Dolan concocting the "Breakaway Civilizations" idea just to put out content."<br /><br />I do too. What I wrote was that I *didn't* believe he did so just to put out content. I agree with your second point wholeheartedly. A previous post about charisma and it's relation to all this speaks a lot to your notion about the latitudes given to delightful dinner companions. <br /><br />Although with charismatic 'leaders' they either produce results, or they are quickly dismissed. I think we may be seeing that effect in relation to some UFO personalities.Jeff Ritzmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15793262192698544038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9158802131636052275.post-2870807541721219402017-08-04T08:38:51.426-07:002017-08-04T08:38:51.426-07:00Thanks for your comment Michael - the real point o...Thanks for your comment Michael - the real point of the article here wasn't so much to discuss the theory of the Breakaway Civilization as much as it was to point out the absurdity factor present in such ideologies. Although I feel like you're probably right in that where ever the money is going, it's likely for reasons that have nothing to do with any theory that has been presented. <br /><br />After all the thievery going on in Government that has been publicly exposed, well, you get the idea.Jeff Ritzmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15793262192698544038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9158802131636052275.post-71891546852649211052017-08-04T07:51:10.664-07:002017-08-04T07:51:10.664-07:00Great and informative article, though I missed the...Great and informative article, though I missed the most plausible theory associated with the "Breakaway Civilization," that it is simply a nonpublic military intelligence environment with absolutely nothing to do with aliens, other than as simple disinformation. The missing trillions of US military dollars and other resources into "black projects" over the years have no other plausible explanation; all this money has been going somewhere with some one using it for some massive set of goals, whatever they are.<br />And the stories of crazies like Corey Goode would of course perfectly serve as further disinfo to ensure that no one takes a serious look at such things. To quote John Keel, "Make him look like a nut!"Michael Crafthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00924192914787883756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9158802131636052275.post-30799637026235999882017-08-03T12:22:22.659-07:002017-08-03T12:22:22.659-07:00I disagree on the point of Dolan concocting the &q...I disagree on the point of Dolan concocting the "Breakaway Civilizations" idea just to put out content. My feeling is maybe he and a couple of others in Ufology (who will remain nameless) are always such delightful dinner companions or drinking buddies they continue to be cut way too much slack and given too many venues to peddle their recycled trash.<br /><br />Many UFO blogs, podcasts, and social media sites are filled with utter nonsense, and their real purpose to promote books, speaking tours, conference appearances, and generate revenue from site sponsors. <br /><br />In essence, they are meant as money making machines not as vehicles to enlighten the masses. So gotta keep churning out content; gotta keep coming up with and promoting weirder, goofier, and more implausible scenarios in the hope the next one will catch fire and serve to effectively continue separating the gullible from their money.<br /><br />Yes, all of these Ufology outlets are immensely entertaining (which is why, personally, I frequent the blogs, podcasts, and social media sites). <br /><br />But a word of advice to all who do the same. Everything presented therein must be taken with not a grain but a boulder of salt. Many of these outlets (but not all; try to exercise at least a little discernment) exist for the sole purpose of trying to get your money. If you find yourself reflexively reaching for a credit card after you've read a post or listened to a podcast, a warning alarm should start sounding in your head.<br />purrlgurrlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06519835482606629362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9158802131636052275.post-38968706969219656542017-08-03T02:14:21.958-07:002017-08-03T02:14:21.958-07:00Re; Catherine Austin Fitts. This assumption that t...Re; Catherine Austin Fitts. This assumption that the missing Trillions (no argument a lot of money has disappeared somewhere), has gone to develop secret space technology is not based in any facts I'm aware of. It seems far more likely that it is used by the intelligence agencies to destabilise other nation states through bribery, funding dissident groups, terrorism, supporting right wing dictatorships and even possibly rewarding themselves for a job well done. If you think, and you should by now, that the Banks and corporations have stolen money from everyone, why would you not make the same assumption about the government/ alphabet agencies? It seems clear to me that there clearly is a conspiracy at work here, but I would suggest it's about impoverishing the population, destroying democracy and suppressing dissent. That's your breakaway civilisation.Fringebubbleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06090213643867754346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9158802131636052275.post-57635579506600679802017-08-02T12:36:24.493-07:002017-08-02T12:36:24.493-07:00I'm not sure you actually read the article. Yo...I'm not sure you actually read the article. Your comment speaks far more to reactionary defense of an ideology. I'm not sure where you derive that I'm trying to discredit anything when I stated at the very beginning of the article:<br /><br />"I should start by saying this isn't a discussion on whether there is or is not a deliberate cover-up of the UFO phenomena by the governing bodies of the world, but a discussion on how the theme of a cover-up effects the critical rationale of the public and researchers as it applies to the phenomenon."<br /><br />Please do try to actually read the piece before posting reactionary responses. Your post is however, a direct example of what this blog routinely covers. <br /><br />Jeff<br />Jeff Ritzmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15793262192698544038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9158802131636052275.post-2037949904704572712017-08-02T10:41:23.549-07:002017-08-02T10:41:23.549-07:00You failed to mention Catherine Austin Fitts, form...You failed to mention Catherine Austin Fitts, former Undersec at HUD during the first Bush Admin, who found trillions missing from DOJ, DOT, and HUD budgets, monies returned to the NY Fed, and passed to the Pentagaon for "special access projects" within the black contractor-Military Industrial Complex, since at least '96. These trillions according to Fitts and Dolan, who spoke with her at Conferences available on You Tube, feed the advanced technologies at the heart of the "Breakaway Civilization". If your going discredit "Pop Ufology" why not what Dolan and Fitts think the BC is, it's motives, and how it operates? Trillions of dollars goes unaccountable for unknown projects, beyond the control and oversight of Congress and the GAO. Isn't that a story worth telling everyone? There's currently a Rep Congressmen, Wyden, who wants more accountability in Federal Budgets, you might contact him for some real quotes about what he would do about the trillions lost to a Black Military. The knowable truth, the 400 or so, vetted military, NASA, and Government witnesses to UFO and associated military activity goes far beyond your mere discrediting of "Pop Ufology". See Dr Stephen Greer about his list of witnesses, his 2001 presentation of his first 20 witnesses at Washington Press Club, out on video, and his most recent "Unacknowledged" for more information from new witnesses regarding unacknowledged special access projects. And by the way, the formerly secret US Space Command, now called the US Space Corp. is no longer secret. With the next Federal Budget, you'll see it as a line item under the Pentagon. More independent confirmation of hundreds of former Air Force Missileer's reports of alien and/or military exercises of craft, seen around or "sitting" over US ICBM sites since '65, can be found in Robert Hasting's books, with special attention to former Capt. Robert Salas, and his '67 encounter at Minot, AFB, Missile Wing. Twodogswalkinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12644802732247889181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9158802131636052275.post-35935797979252539332017-08-02T10:10:26.446-07:002017-08-02T10:10:26.446-07:00I think that many UFO researchers are very safe fr...I think that many UFO researchers are very safe from reprisals by the "Men in Black," because of the valuable cost-free service they provide to the US Government: in accordance with the Robertson Panel's conclusions, that public interest in UFOs should be suppressed with ridicule, etc. In Ufology the more outrageous the claim with no supporting evidence, the more attention and accolades you receive.James Clarksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09994517332230390220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9158802131636052275.post-38706320520971079672017-08-01T13:10:52.286-07:002017-08-01T13:10:52.286-07:00"SOMEONE took my nutty, unsubstantiated, da..."SOMEONE took my nutty, unsubstantiated, dangerous idea too far!"Dr Tim Brighamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00223867102830581724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9158802131636052275.post-44863055982657592772017-08-01T13:09:27.653-07:002017-08-01T13:09:27.653-07:00 Well said, Jeff. Well said, Jeff.Dr Tim Brighamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00223867102830581724noreply@blogger.com